Why Marraige between one woman and wone man needs to be protected.

[Jhoward 10]

Triads

Mr. and Mrs. and Mrs...or Whatever

Chuck Colson

 

 

May 22, 2009

 

Earlier this month, Maine became the fifth state—and the fourth in New England—to legalize same-sex “marriage.” Five thousand miles away in Hawaii, Sasha and Janet Lessin are hoping to build on New England’s example.

 

If they are successful, no one can seriously claim to be surprised.

 

Writer Abby Ellin described how the Lessins gathered with friends and held what was dubbed a “commitment ceremony.” The “commitment” being celebrated wasn’t a renewal of their marriage vows—it was the incorporation of a third party, “Shivaya,” into their so-called “triad.”

 

That’s the word the Lessins and other advocates of “polyamory” call a relationship between three people. Unlike bigamy and polygamy, in which one man has multiple wives, in a “triad,” each party is a “spouse” to each of the other parties. In the Lessins’ case, “Shivaya” is both Sasha’s and Janet’s “husband” and vice-versa. Or whatever.

 

In a saner, more sensible time, antics like those of the Lessins would be shocking. But in case you haven’t noticed, we are not living in sensible times. The acceptance of same-sex “marriage” has been made possible by a profound shift in our understanding of marriage. We no longer see marriage as an institution defined by someone and something other than the couple, like tradition, religion and even biology.

 

Instead, marriage is the product of the couple’s understanding of their relationship. It’s the product of certain feelings and willingness to make a public commitment to another person. If these are present, the reasoning goes, denying people the right to marry because they “happen” to be of the same sex is arbitrary and unjust.

 

The problem, as the Lessins and others have noted, is that, given this reasoning, denying them the right to marry of the basis of the number of partners is also arbitrary and unjust. The only difference between them and similarly-situated same-sex couples is Americans’ discomfort with the idea.

 

And as courts never fail to tell us, one man’s discomfort is another man’s irrational prejudice. Besides, in a culture like ours, attitudes can change quickly. If I had told you in 1984 that, by 2009, same-sex “marriage” would be legal, would you have believed me?

 

That’s why advocates of polyamory emphasize their “commitment” to the other members of the “triads.” The more comfortable people become with these kinds of arrangements, the closer people like the Lessins come to their stated goal: that is, in their words, being able to “walk down the street hand in hand in hand in hand” and also enjoying “all those survivor and visitation rights and tax breaks and everything like that . . .”

 

Of course, many advocates of same-sex “marriage” insist that this can’t happen. But if feelings and commitment define a marriage, what’s to stop “triads” from being the “next frontier of nuptials?” Certainly not logical consistency.

 

As Sasha, Janet, and Shivaya remind us, the reasoning that made same-sex “marriage” possible goes hand in hand in hand with all sorts of arrangements.

[boveymama 10]

I do not comply with the views that same sex marriage is ok. although i do not condemn peoples sin i make it clear to those i come in contact with that it is sin and i dont approve. God created man and women to unite and become one when married. marriage was created by god as another form of worship to him, for two people to unite and demonstrate his glory. it is an abomination to gods glory to base a marriage on sin. ex: same sex couples.

a marriage of SWINGERS is the same offense to me. not that anyone is perfect, my husband and i slept together before marriage, but we have repented and grown so our sin is forgiven. as encouragement to people struggling with those urges to partner with the same sex: a friend of mine WAS gay and has come to christ and has CHANGED his lifestyle. its a struggle for him as is all sin but his soul is saved. seek out support and any christian who turns away help to you is a hippocrit. we are all sinners and we are only saved by grace, support a 'gay' as youd support a single mother or an addict. teach the word and stand honest in your beliefs.

[DiamondRing 10]

We have to uphold the truth of the Word and vote against gay marriage in order to remain in God's Blessing through obedience to His Word and in order for Him to continue to bless America. It is important to honor Him in all we do and say. I agree that we do should not turn away gay people from the church if they are coming to Jesus to repent and be saved, but we should not accept the gay lifestyle by one who professes to be a Christian, that is not true repentance or salvation. We should be working with Christ's power through His Word and Holy Spirit's anointing to heal people and deliver people of a homosexual bondage. We know God does not want that person bound in sin all the days of their life, He came to save us, heal us and deliver us from our sin. Our work is not just to get people saved but it is to get them discipled! A disciple of Christ is free from all sin and iniquity! Jesus may have sat and ate with sinners, but they didn't stay sinners after being in His presence, they were changed.

Jesus makes saints out of sinners, and we should be about doing His work to turn sinners into saints through faith in His Word and the empowering of His Spirit. Our call is go forth and make disciples (not just get saved) of all nations, that includes our own nation. Matthew 28:19

Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, [ Or all peoples.] baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

To be a Christian one should repent of any homosexual activity, even thoughts, and turn to God to receive their forgiveness through Christ our Savior and be transformed through His Word. Romans 12:2

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

[DiamondRing 10]

Speaking of this, Can someone tell me why there is a google ad at the top of this page advertising same sex weddings in NYC!

This was at the top in google ad section this morning! If they are paying for Christian Moms website I will leave the site, I refuse to be involved in condoning this.

 

Same Sex Weddings in NYC

Make Your Love Official in New York Call USA Weddings to Learn More Now

UltimateUSAWeddings.com/about.php

Edited May 27, 2009 by DiamondRing

[Jhoward 10]

Yikes, I didn't know that - I have the ads blocked so I don't even see them!

[DiamondRing 10]

Do you know how to contact the owner of Christian Mom and ask, I do not want to judge the situation too hastily, she may be unaware or have nothing at all to do with it. I am so computer illerate I do not know how to send personal notes to anyone.

[heathbar 10]

I have a website and you have to pay a lot of money to have the ads removed. I assure it christian mom isn't advertising this on their own. I would be willing to bet that the same sex sites aren't paying for this site either. I hadn't even noticed it till you said something. I wouldn't worry about it.

[DiamondRing 10]

This is what was at the top of the page when I came to this thread this time! Why would they choose to advertise here?

 

 

 

How to Fix Your Marriage

Get Free Marriage Help Immediately. New Alternative to Counseling.

http://www.MarriageMax.com

 

 

New poly memoir

Intimate journey. Read 1/2 free "She and I: A Fugue"

http://www.SheAndIbook.com

*

Connexion.org

Free Gay Social Networking Meet for Dating, Conversation & Fun

[DiamondRing 10]

Interestingly, there are no other ads like this on the other threads today, only this particular thread. The other threads all have appropriate Christian ads geared toward Christian interests. This seems very strange.

[DiamondRing 10]

So I clicked on the Ads by Google and it turns out they actually have the internet constantly searching keywords in texts to find targeted interests and potential customers of their products/services so the internet, not having a logical brain to discern information with, just picked up the word homosexual and sent an ad relating to the interest wrongfully perceived in the very mention of the word. Those who are very computer literate already knew this, I'm sure, but I did not b/c using the internet is still very new to me.

[heathbar 10]

So I clicked on the Ads by Google and it turns out they actually have the internet constantly searching keywords in texts to find targeted interests and potential customers of their products/services so the internet, not having a logical brain to discern information with, just picked up the word homosexual and sent an ad relating to the interest wrongfully perceived in the very mention of the word. Those who are very computer literate already knew this, I'm sure, but I did not b/c using the internet is still very new to me.

 

 

that is correct, the internet is tricky. they probably have ads about homeschooling on the homeschooling forums. On my website, they have a lot of ads about counseling, abuse etc...It all depends on who the host is and what they allow. Generally speaking they don't allow things like porn etc...on regular websites. Also on my site if I want to have the ads removed I would pay $5.00 for every 1,000 clicks. So it could ad up quickly or I could pay like 30 a month which I don't have so I ignore the ads as long as they are porn but the host for my site doesn't allow those kinds of things.

 

So like I said I wouldn't worry about it but it's good that you asked. like right now the ads are homeschooling, make 6,000 a month, free work at home, 400 yr old bible versus, and become a pastor.

[Jhoward 10]

Things I never knew about banner ads lol.

[becky84 10]

This is the reason why I am debating keeping the internet at all. My husband has had struggles with "porn addiction" issues, and the ads that pop up when he tries to check his email on yahoo are enough to cause a problem! It's ridiculous. It really makes me mad that we are entrenched in such a sexually depraved culture that we can't even check our email without being bombarded with pictures of voluptuous women showing off their assets.

[DiamondRing 10]

I agree. this is ludricious-here's the add this morning at top!

Free Gay Marriage Sticker

Say "I Support Gay Marriage" with a Free Sticker. Get one now!

http://www.CredoAction.com/free-stricker

Like any Christian wuld want this! You should not have to pay money to block smut either, it is not fair to us who are already paying outlandish prices for internet service to begin with. If it were just me we wouldn't have it either but my husband insists b/c of Ebay but b/c he also had a porn issue years ago I can never quite get over the easy lure of this computer sitting right here. We have it in a public place for that reason, but I am praying about it becuase we are all leaving to visit home in PA in 2 weeks and he'll be here all alone with the computer. I trust he'd never have a real affair but it is hard to trust he wouldn't peek online while we are gone. I wish they'd get rid of it all, but then the liberals play the freedom of speech card and threaten our rights to talk about Jesus and salvation so what are we to do?

[heathbar 10]

I haven't really said to much in this thread. I'm really honestly not sure how I feel. It's like water I don't want ot tread on. I believe that homosexuality is wrong, but I also believe that they are people with thoughts, feelings, issues, and everything that all of us have. God loves them no less, or no more than he does you or I. There are so many things in the Bible that we no longer abide by either as a society or an individual. Then there are things that we cling to as though if we don't we will surely be thrown into the pits of hell. Why is that? Is it because it makes us uncomfortable, is it because it would make us look bad as "christians"? The definition of a christian is to be christ like and frankly when I see these "God fearing" people holding up signs that say God hates fags, gays burn in hell, I find it repulsive and utterly disguisting. It is nothing but a display of utter hate and the total opposite of God's love. Do I believe homosexuals should be allowed to get married, I would be leaning towards no, but it is probably because I have this core belief that i was raised with. When I dig deep deep into my heart and find my compassion as God does so frequently with all of us and I try to look at people through God's eyes. I see it differently. I see people that love each other it's basic human nature to love and want to be loved. Who am I to tell anyone they can't be who they are? And who are you or I to judge other people's lifestyles? It isn't my place and I don't want it to be.

 

So as I said i may not agree with same sex marriage, but I can't fault people that feel that is what would make them truly happy. I can't tell them that what they are is fake or just made up in there heads. Until I have lived their life or walked in their shoes I have no idea how they think or feel. I can only do my best to love them and accept people for who they are. In the end I think we are all trying to achieve the same goals in life. To be happy, to feel loved, to give love, and for people to just accept us despite our faults.

 

I wasn't saying that anyone on here whatsoever was being hateful towards same sex marriage. It was a general statement that you do see alot of on TV and it is usually done in the name of God. I can't picture Jesus standing outside Capitol hill holding up a sign that say Gods hates fags. It goes againist his character.

[Jhoward 10]

People with those signs make me sick too - can you imagine?! Imagine if someone held up a sign: God hates murderers/adulterers/atheists or any of things you can think of? And the way they get off is getting the media's attention when they picket like that, it's disgusting and make the rest of us look bad. My husbands family and mine are both unsaved - and within that we have are around a homosexual couple at almost every family gathering. They are aware that we think it is wrong, but it is not something we really discuss at all. Is my current sin or previous sin better than theirs that I can call theirs out in hate? Absolutely not. Should their choices change the way marraige is defined - one man and one woman? I don't think God would say yes to that either.

 

I personally was not brought up even close to christian and I was exposed to quite a few people who were professed to be homosexual, and others who weren't and then were, and then were bi-sexual. All that was in high school. And I was told by many of them that I was homosexual as well..... I've also see n many of our friends in that school become confused and not sure whether they were or not because of the exposure and because of what others say.... In recent months the APA (American Psychological Association has stated that homosexuality, and any other sexuality for that matter cannot be pinned to genetics. All that being said (which probably didn't even need to be said lol) we need to find a way to love everyone who is around us, regardless of the sin that is in their lives, and yet still hold firm to the truth of God's word.

[heathbar 10]

I agree. I'll add more later I'm fighting a double ear infection and this antibiotic isn't working too well. I have been on it since Wed. I also have a sinus and upper respitroy infection. So I am going to go lay down after I go to the grocery store

[DiamondRing 10]

I don't believe condoneing sin as o.k and acceptable is a loving action at all to give people. I am so very thankful for the Christians that were not afraid to tell me that smoking was a sin against God and i credit them with being the truly loving Mature Christians not the ones who said, oh well God loves you and accepted it, that was simply not caring enough to help God save my life by helping me cry out to Him for the strength to overcome the addiction. Those other Christians, they did not love me at all to just let me do whatever I pleased with out telling me how much I was hurting God's plan for my life and the future generations. Nobody is saying that God doesn't love someone in this bondage, and that is what it is a demonic bondage, but that they as everyone must repent and turn to God and receive forgiveness

[heathbar 10]

The first homsexual I see, i will look him or her in the eye and tell them how they have a demonic hold on them, and that God has come to set them free from their evil lifestyle. And that what they are doing is a sin againist God and mankind and they must repent and ask God for forgiveness. I'm pretty sure they will fall on their knees immediately and beg for forgiveness. That would def. be the mature christian way to win someone over to God.

 

I'm sorry your reply is so typical of born again christian mentality, like we have some right to rid the world of sin for God and we have the right to let people know that what they are doing is wrong and God doesn't like it. Whatever happen to being humble and silent and winning people over to God by actions. I have to say that I personally have been touched by more people that showed me God's love through their meekness, humbleness, than those that ever preached to me. I have been a christian for 36 yrs and I have learned a lot. Frankly I have no right to say anything to anyone about their lifestyles, and I have no right to tell others how they should be living their lives according to God's word. That is between them and God, and it is my job as a christian to love them for who they are or aren't. I have found over the years that the people that are telling others they shouldn't be smoking because our bodies are a temple created by God and it is a sin are the same people that are probably cussing in their houses, or stuffing their faces with fatty foods etc...You get the picture right? Just because we are christians doesn't give us the right to point out every other sin that someone else is doing.

 

We who is without sin, may cast the first stone.

 

ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

 

I'm not meaning ot argue or upset you, I grew up in the born again fire and brimstone methods and it didn't get me very far. I met this lady once that never mention the word Christ to me yet she glowed and when she spoke she had a true sparkle in her eyes I could see something in her even though she never said what it was. her humbleness and grace was amazing, she potrayed something I wanted others to see in me and yet I knew I was far off from it. I had a close relationship with God as well but not like she did.

 

I became catholic 11 yrs ago, probably one of the best decisions i ever made. One of my Born again friends actually looked at me and said I can't believe you would lower your standards and become a catholic. I was floored and appalled that someone could think that their faith and their walk with God was so superior and that they had the right to tell me so. It didn't matter ot them that it was a decision I struggled with and spent many a nights in prayer about it. It didn't matter that I had 2 visions confirming my decision. let me tell you becoming catholic was not what I wanted. I fought it and i fought with God about it. Out of all the years I have been a christian and have had a deep relationship with God and a great deal of faith, I never in my life had felt such peace as I did the night I joined the catholic church. It was such an amazing feeling.

 

Mother Thersea was such an example of what a christian woman was. Her dedication and love for people will be hard for anyone to follow. Any person that can walk up to a homeless person that hasn't bathed in months, has sores on them, is riddled with illness, and covered in bugs not to mention the stench and hug them and say God loves you and I love you and leave it at that is what we should strive for as Godly people and woman. It's not about who has the upper hand in God it's about Love. I get what your saying about people telling you that smoking was bad for you. Just because other christians didn't tell you doesn't mean they didn't love you. I am not better than other sinner, I am not better than anyone, and just because I wear the title of christian doesn't make me superior.

[becky84 10]

Amen.

 

"Always preach the Gospel. If necessary, use words." St. Francis of Assisi

[heathbar 10]

just do it in love not judgement.

 

 

St francis was a cool guy!!!!!

[DiamondRing 10]

Well as I said, I am sure thankful for those who God placed in my path who were not afraid to speak up, in love of course and say something because they were the ones who truly showed God's love for me to me because they cared enough to say something about the sin that was killing me. So I am thankful for them. Also I never said to go straight up to a person and speak to them about Satan and his evil plan to bring as many people to hell with him as he can but we do have the empowerment to preach repentance from sin (and to this you need to preach what behaviors are sinful in the first place), salvation through Jesus Christ and redemption by His blood. His Word is the truth and we are not truly living for Him if your hiding the truth from somebody and then calling that love. All your doing is hindering them from truly knowing the freedom found in having a surrendered relationship with Jesus Christ.

[DiamondRing 10]

Passage Romans 6:1-2:

Romans 6

Sin’s Power Is Broken

 

 

 

1 Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more of his wonderful grace? 2 Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it?

 

How can we tell people it is o.k to keep on sinning-that is not biblical at all! Homosexuality is not a person's identity-Jesus Christ did not create any person to have biblical based happiness in perverse sexual pleasures, these desires are wicked and fleshly and must be repented of in order to receive the fullness of God's Blessing at work in their life and become a mature follower of Christ, Our Lord. We are new creatures in Christ Jesus and He did not suffer and die for me or anyone else to keep on continuing in their sinful lusts and the desires of their flesh. We crucified our flesh with Jesus Christ, we took off our sinful nature and put on the righteousness of Christ Jesus.

Jesus Christ created in us a new nature, and that new nature being one of a homosexual just doesn't fit in the boundaries given by Scripture, such as this one-

Ephesians 4:24

Put on your new nature, created to be like God—truly righteous and holy.

Our new nature, like God, truly righteous and holy- can you seriously equate God's righteous and holy nature with that of a homosexual nature? If so you are perverse in mind and deceived by the world's way of thinking on what love truly is and on what happiness truly is.

[heathbar 10]

we shouldn't say it's ok to keep sinning. It seems that homosexuals, women that have abortions are easy targets in the christian world. How often do you see people picketing outside McDonalds with signs that say obese people are going to hell, God hates overweight people? You sure do see them outside the supreme courts and abortion clinic though carrying signs protesting. How often do you see christians standing outside the gas stations picketing saying God hates smokers. If all sins are equal and God doesn't put one higher than any other, why do we?

[becky84 10]

What is going on here? Why are we attacking each other?

 

Of course homosexuality is a sin. We all know that's what the Bible says, nobody is doubting that. Just like murder and adultery and lying are sins. So what exactly is being debated here?

 

If someone came up to me and said, "I am gay -- so what do you think about that?", I would tell them that it's immoral and sinful to practice homosexual behaviors. It doesn't matter what I think, it matters what God thinks. The End. Is anybody here really suggesting that we look for gay people to harass? How do you know if someone's gay, if they don't tell you? What does a gay person look like? Sound like? Dress like? If a guy's voice happens to sound more effeminate than another's, does that mean we should turn to him and say, "You know, you sound like you could be gay. That's a sin."

 

We are all adults here, and I am sure we are more mature than that. Gay people are not some sort of freak show that we can point at and say, "Wow, I'm glad I'm not like THAT guy." In most cases, they are hurting people looking for answers, just like the rest of us. So let's stop attacking each other, and let God's opinion be the only one that matters.